Vaccination Dangers

[zefi]

I have just been reading this site, the link of which was posted on a list. Its really quite scary and once again justifies my belief that Billy's problems all started with vaccinations. Its no coincidence that he got sick after each and every vaccination, culminating with the last one leading to hypothyroidsm. I really wish I'd seen articles like this when he had his first reaction at 3 months with swollen glands and listless mood. I surely would not have subjected him to 2 more years of vaccinations.

http://www.dogsadversereactions.com/scienceVaccineDamage.html

In one part it says:
"Our ongoing studies of dogs show that following routine vaccination, there is a significant rise in the level of antibodies dogs produce against their own tissues. Some of these antibodies have been shown to target the thyroid gland, connective tissue such as that found in the valves of the heart, red blood cells, DNA, etc. I do believe that the heart conditions in Cavalier King Charles Spaniels could be the end result of repeated immunisations by vaccines containing tissue culture contaminants that cause a progressive immune response directed at connective tissue in the heart valves. The clinical manifestations would be more pronounced in dogs that have a genetic predisposition [although] the findings should be generally applicable to all dogs regardless of their breed."

[Mutley]

Thanks for raising this important issue, Zefi. I think the scariest part is that those of us who are the most vigilant about our animals' health are most at risk of harming them. If we only raise owners' awareness to the point where they ask their vets if they really have to vaccinate so often, we will be making vets research the topic. I do think they are just too wary to do other than the recommended protocol.

[zefi]

Thankfully my vet here in Tasmania is against over vaccinating. He is the first to say they dont need to be done every year. My vet in Melbourne however insisted on 5-in-1 every year!!! And being the overprotective mother I am I would always over do everything, thinking I was doing the best for them. I'll never get over feeling responsible for Billy's condition.

In Greece (I tell everyone this) when I had Timmy my first toy poodle, the protocol was that they gave 2 shots at a time. You'd take the pup in at whatever months of age and get parvo and hepatitis. then 2-4 weeks later, maybe even 8 weeks later, lepto and something else. and at 6 months the last shot being rabies. Never all at once. Lucky we dont have rabies here or I'm sure they'd find a way to bundle that in too!

I really dont know what the protocols in Greece are now as that was over 20 years ago. And until things change people will be forced to vaccinate yearly by things like obedience clubs who expect a current certificate, places like pets as therapy, boarding kennels etc. If they'd only make titering actually affordable!!!!

[auntie c]

I am in total agreeance with you all on this...

but please do not for one minute, group the whole worming treatments, into the vaccination issue...

it is a totally separate issue and really needs to be addressed regularly,,,

carlene
harry who and pearl the girl
australia

[Bookend]

I went to a Clare Middle lecture recently, she's my homeopathic vet who
does Symi's acupuncture.

This was all about vaccinations. First up they showed a video of a seminar on vaccinations in children, about how some reacted badly and the pros and cons. This was an Australian video so relevant to us. There were three people talking, one what you may call an activist, as after her child had a bad reaction to vaccinations and nearly died, researched, got informed and started a lobby group here in Aussie and even got the Aussie Government to amend the rules so people could get child endowments if their children weren't vaccinated (they were trying to do the Big Brother thing) as long as they registered as a conciencous objector. Then there was a Paediatrician, who talked about problems he had seen in children from vaccinations, long term effects like autism and asthma. Last guy was Homeopathic doctor who told about the natural ways of getting protection against the killer diseases that have been around for centuries. What they all really emphasised was the death rate from all these diseases had fallen heaps in the last century even before vaccinations came about in the 50s etc.

They all emphasised, it was all about choice, you are your child's advocate, you assess the options and decide what is best in your circumstance.

Clare endorsed the same thing for dogs. She says in Western Australia we get the dogs vaccinated against up to 7 diseases all at once, I know my vet just said dogs had a C5 vaccination. This means they are vaccinating against 5 diseases at once. Clare says that the body can only adequately fight one disease at a time and this puts too much stress on their bodies (the human doctors said this too about having like measles, chicken pox and whooping cough etc in one needle).

We are very lucky in Western Australia. not so many infectious diseases and in fact if the dog isn't going to go anywhere else we really only need to protect against Parvo Disease. There is no Distemper in WA, a little in the Eastern States where it gets colder as it needs to be frozen to continue on or something. Of course we have no Rabies over here either. Kennel Cough,
well that is like the flu, it mutates the whole time and doesn't normally kill them. Just makes them sick for a while. If and when they go into kennels and the kennel owner insists on it, she recommends the nasal one, less invasive on the system. Of course she is talking pampered pets here and responsible owners that will look after their dogs if they get sick.

She recommends that puppies not have first vaccinations until 8-9 weeks old and after they have been weaned off their mother and in the new home for a week.  Reason being that the mother is giving the pup the antibodies to protect against disease, and if they have vaccinations whilst they still have mother's antibodies in their system it will fight the vaccination and
not be as effective. Then of course they have to have the next one at 12 weeks. But after that she says get a titre done at 15 months old to test the antibodies in the system and only revaccinate if needed. Then test every three years. The vaccinations against Parvo and Distemper etc can last for 7-11 years.

The problems with over vaccinations causing damage to the auto immune system are huge, she reeled off a whole load of things, I can only remember Hypothyroidism, Diabetes, Cushings Disease and these are ones that have been tested and proved, may be a whole lot of others. I only got interested in all this after Daisy got Cushings so was sort of pleased it was up there as a proven one and I'm not being paranoid:)

Also they said that dogs who are not 100% healthy should not be vaccinated. And included in that is dogs with arthritis.

Symi hasn't been vaccinated since Daisy got sick, over 7 years, so I asked her if I should get him titred, she said not to really worry about it as the chances of him getting Parvo at 12 years old was pretty minimal but if he's having blood tests I can get that done too.

There is are homeopathic solutions available but only 75% effective as opposed to the vaccination of 95%  but it is an option for dogs that are at risk.

They all emphasised, that not one course of action fits all. Conciencous owners can look at the risks involved and make informed decisions.

Well, I have just emptied my head to fill yours:)  But I felt it was a very worthwhile talk.

They are changing the protocols for vaccinations over here anyway to every three years I think, but vets don't always keep up with the latest decisions. I have some papers to read and will pass on anything of interest.

Actually I am lucky, my normal vet does keep up with all the latest things and when I have asked him, as he knows my views on it, is okay with me not vaccinating.

[Fluffy]

Thanks for that Bookend. This is an issue that many are concerned with but it is hard to find updated and reliable info.  Can we please hear about the papers when you have read them - no pressure

[zefi]

Thanks for posting that Bookend. You mention they are/will be changing vaccination protocols in australia... do you know any specifics? I want to check with my vet.

[auntie c]

excellent information, thank you so much for posting and sharing with the rest of us..

as some of you are aware here in newcastle we are pretty into the alternatives..
this is the way 80% of our own little poodle community have gone in the past 6 years or so..

thanks again

carlene
harry who and pearl the girl
australia