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auntie c
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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2006, 07:37:56 AM »

hi liz,
december, harry had 2 vomits one evening, which i didnt really take too much notice off.. dogs do get upset tummys just like us... He seemed fine in the morning, went out for his usual urine run around the yard, drank plenty of water, and then I left for work.... came home at 2pm to find him quite listless.  I took him to the vets, i was rather panicy because I had lost my dobie to a bowel torsion some years ago. The vet took an xray which showed no blockage in his bowel, but in his upper intestine... He made it through the surgery and I begged him to allow us to come and pick him up.... which was denied.  He had harry on a fluid IV & heavy antibiotics and had kept him in a drug induced coma.... We were told that "if he made it through the night we were half way there"..... ( now i was really panicy)  Because he was a strong, young dog we had a good chance. The next morning I was on the vets doorstep to pick him up, or atleast see him!  After an agonizing 40 minute wait the vet came out with a plastic bag with the core of a corn cob, the size of a potato gem... I was amazed at how it could have possibly got stuck. he must have picked it up at the beach 3 days before.  It was quite rancid and he had a pretty bad infection.  Because it was Christmas eve, we were allowed to take him home and the road to a complete recovery was far from over.... We couldnt feed him for 24 hours, then we were only to give 1 cup of boiled white rice with 1 tablespoon of cottage cheese stirred through it morning and night for the next week. this was to avoid any kinks in his intestine. During the surgery the vet had to remove all his upper intestine and rinse an antibiotic solution through and then replace it exactly. He explained it like trying to recoil a hose, hoping that there are no kinks, any kinks and it never is the same..... Our poor baby was sooooo hungry and it was all over the christmas new year break..

Needless to say, never ever ever will he have access to a corn cob.  We never let him leave our side at the beach now, he is always in view and we have now trained him not to eat anything, but he insists on marking it instead...

as for the chicken wings/bones etc. I never give cooked bones of any sort... only raw. I let them chew on them for an hour, maybe two, but pick them up and throw out what they leave, so they dont dry out in the sun and became brittle.

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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2006, 08:10:05 PM »

Oh my gosh.  What a horrible story!  I'm SO glad to hear that Harry made it through all that.  What a great vet you must have. 

Okay, no corn cobs for my pups!  That's so scary.

I always worry that Chula will get a hunk of rawhide strip stuck inside her.  She gobbles them up so fast!  SO I only give them to her when she's right here with me where I can keep an eye on her, and I take it away when it starts getting too small. 
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auntie c
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2006, 02:12:06 AM »

it only takes a scare like that to get you to take notice... our vet said, very matter of factly, "oh its a corn cob, the number one killer of large chested bred dogs...." we were standing there thinking, OMG we have another one at home and I had already 2 previous to those, and this never happen before! so i guess now im very wary. I even cut the toothbrush end off the greenies. Hazza has such bad breath and we have got it down to 3 a week and only give him the handle ends...

give your babies kisses from us

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Liz King
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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2006, 01:17:50 AM »

Scary story about the corn cob! My vet really gets down on feeding anything except "dog food" because of this kind of trouble. Thanks for the warning; so far, I've been lucky, but I'll be more diligent in future.  My brother's lab died from eating a plastic bottle cap, so I'm fairly senstitive to what goes inside their mouths.
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2006, 05:38:04 PM »

I am not so sure about this... Sure, some things are not meant to be eaten by dogs (like corn cobs and bottle caps, underwear and chunks of wood) but there are some things that dogs are made to eat... As far removed as they are from wolves, dogs ARE a natural predator and scavenger who will eat anything. We would be sick if we ate 1/10th of the stuff our dogs put in their mouths! Their stomachs are made to digest things like bone (as long as its raw) and to deal with bacteria thats been brewing on the carcass of a wallaby thats been dead for a week. Thats their nature.

So we keep them safe from things that we know will cause trouble (like corn cobs, dangerous toys and electric cords), and we dont let them eat things that disgust our human sensibilities (like dead things and possum poop), but we cant really demand that a dog eat something as unnatural as dry dog food, which is made from all kinds of things we would never feed to our dogs if we were processing it ourselves, and nothing more. At least thats my opinion.

Now, dont get me wrong. I AM a person of this age, dog food is there and it does have its uses... So I compromise. I feed my dogs a diet which consists mainly of raw chicken, some raw lamb (hearts, liver, pet mince) and whatever else I have. I cook up pots of food for them too occasionally so they get some cooked pasta and a bit of rice and vegies in that. I give them leftovers from my food. They have dry food in a bowl in the kitchen which they will munch on when/if they are hungry and I give them dog biscuits (the bone shaped ones) and dog treats too. I call this the 'old fashioned diet' where a dog ate whatever you had to give it! I add some supplements now and then to make sure things are balanced, but I dont go overboard. I take care of them but I am not fanatic about every meal.

So I disagree with vets (my old one for instance) who said I should feed Scooter nothing but dry dog food his entire life and never give him table scraps. I dont think its natural. I also disagree that keeping a dog on a diet of dry food is safer. Dogs bloat more from dry food than raw. Sure, there are always dangers. But you just have to use your common sense I guess. I'm lucky in that my kids never tried to eat a bottle cap or broken toy pieces. They may de-stuff but they dont eat the bits. If something they are playing with or eating concerns me I'll take it away. I keep them away from cooked chicken bones and things I know are bad for them.... I do the best I can to keep them safe. But if they were living free (wild poodles of Tasmania  Cool) they'd be eating dead things and killing to eat as well as raiding bins cause thats what they would like to do! Smile
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2006, 07:56:49 PM »

LOL @ wild poodles of Tasmania.. hahaha!  Poodles on the rampage.. terrifying the villagers....

When we got Chula and Echo, I asked (our old) vet what food I should buy for them.  He said to buy the CHEAPEST dry kibble on the market and give that to them because "it really doesn't matter!"  Thank God I didn't believe him, and never did that!  I sure like this EVO kibble though.  It's ALL healthy "real" food and still easy.   Altho we still add to it, and making up their dinner is kind of an event around here now.  Chula thinks she's in heaven after being on grocery store kibble alone for so long.
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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2006, 09:53:34 AM »

I think the problem with peas is that there is a hard coating/shell around them that most likely cannot be penetrated for digestion.

We have a fish pond and were told that Koi love peas, but also told to take that shell/coating off the pea before giving it to the koi.  We basically just thaw the frozen pea, pull off its "skin" (that sounds more appropriate) and feed, however, I still 1/2 the pea.  They love them!
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2007, 03:12:24 AM »

Just a thought, Zefi. Tom Lonsdale is the original raw diet guru, and I think he is having doubts about Ian Billinghurst and his commercialisation of the RAW diet. (There are frozen patties on the market) Might be worth checking. Sorry, I deleted Tom's last newsletter but I think the main distinction is between raw, meaty bones and BARF - biologically appropriate raw food. Anyone who goes to Tom's site can read his observations and make their own decision.

For what it's worth, I feed pretty much what you do - home cooked "casseroles", which include well cooked frozen vegetables, lots of raw, meaty bones, wings, necks, flaps, omelettes, raw eggs, and so on. I agree that they have evolved eating pretty much what we ate (when we had a healthy, non fast food diet!)
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I have had poodles for twenty years. I started with a rescue which was a "cross". Until recently I did obedience and have titled two standards and a mini.Three years ago I bought Jurado Lily Marlene and got into showing. I am very proud of her. She came second to Zefi's gorgeous "Montana" at The Sydney Royal. I also have Laura (10) and mini Panda (Cool. I adore them all.
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